Florida State has returned the NCAA's volley.FSU administrators released their rebuttal Wednesday morning to the NCAA in the latest step in the school's appeal of sanctions stemming from an academic misconduct case. The university is appealing just one of the original sanctions imposed by the NCAA earlier this year -- the order to vacate wins in as many as 10 sports.
The NCAA has not moved from its position that FSU must vacate victories in multiple sports, a ruling that would cost Seminoles football coach Bobby Bowden 14 victories and essentially end his bid to become college football's all-time winningest coach.
The academic fraud involving FSU student athletes in an online music course took place during the fall semesters of 2006 and 2007 and spring of 2007.
FSU's appeal is another step of a process that will likely go into the fall, according to school officials. In its 21-page appeal, FSU argued that the school must be credited for "institutional cooperation and self-corrective action. (The Committee on Infractions) did not explain -- as it must do -- how those mitigating factors might or might not have influenced its choice of penalties.
"If the Committee in fact weighed those factors, it did so in a black box that denies the University and this Committee a meaningful opportunity to review the appropriateness of its logic and decision. Because the Committee did not even address these essential factors, the vacation-of-wins penalty must be reversed."
The university argued that it worked with the NCAA to come up with a penalty for student-athletes involved in the case so they could have their eligibility restored. The rebuttal also says: "The vacation of wins at this stage -- after the student-athletes waived their opportunity to establish their innocence -- is inequitable."
The rebuttal was signed by William E. Williams of the GrayRobinson law firm.
Bowden, who turns 80 in November, has 382 wins, one fewer than the 82-year-old Joe Paterno of Penn State. Paterno earlier this spring voiced his displeasure with the NCAA possibly vacating Bowden's victories. The ruling could also cost FSU's track program a national championship.
In documents released last month by FSU, while the NCAA Committee of Infractions again commended FSU for its cooperative efforts and corrective actions, the committee "did not believe they were so extraordinary as to warrant relief from the vacation penalty in a case in which there are so many relevant aggravating factors," according to the 23-page report.
The NCAA said that FSU fell short of showing that the order to vacate wins was excessive. The committee pointed to six factors "as relevant to the imposition of a vacation penalty."
--There were a large number of violations committed by three institutional staff members and at least 61 student-athletes in 10 different sports
--The violations were serious and intentional
--Student-athletes competed while academically ineligible.
--There was an uncontested finding of institutional failure to monitor various aspects of the Athletic Academic Support Services (AASS) program.
-- There was widespread academic fraud; and
-- Three institutional staff members in the AASS program engaged in unethical conduct by encouraging and/or participating in the academic fraud. Their involvement was especially egregious because of their positions as individuals charged specifically with maintaining academic integrity within the athletics program.
The bulk of FSU's rebuttal released Wednesday cites precedent from other NCAA cases that FSU officials believe justify their appeal.




















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
7-01-2009 @ 2:41PM
taldrk4me said...
you cheat you lose.. whats the case to argue..
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7-01-2009 @ 4:02PM
Melvin said...
No FSU argument about the NCAA's academic sanctions... like FSU cares about academics.
FSU is spending a ton of money on legal fees solely because it's iditoic "President" -Wetherell - is a Bowden bootlicker.
Millions of lawyer bucks for football wins.
Nothing for academics.
All for Bowden.
Isn't there a Board in place that can go over Wetherall's head- or did the Board play for Bowden, too ??
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7-01-2009 @ 4:30PM
Welcome Don said...
This school is a disgrace !! it's not about academics,It is not about cheating, its about your fat ass coach and "WINS"
Why do all these old basturds go out like losers.
Welcome to the Woody Hayes elite club Bobby boy !
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9-05-2009 @ 5:22PM
Michael said...
Why aren't we talking about this story? FSU safety Myron Rolle wins the Rhodes scholarship. First football player to do so, and takes a full ride to Oxford University in England over the NFL to pursue a career as a neurosurgeon: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3719726
No, let's focus on the kids that cheated on an online art history class! Not about academics? Think again. How many Rhodes scholars are on your team?
7-01-2009 @ 6:03PM
Pat said...
Yall are morons! Its about idiot students cheating not bobby bowden or the coaches! They shouldn't vacate the wins in any sport! They should throw the players off the team which they have already done! What about the 26 players from Florida that has been arrested since Urban Meyer should they vacate his wins and National Championships too? There are over 100 Football players on the Fsu football team you cant watch them all the time! The players should be held accountable!
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7-01-2009 @ 6:38PM
marktmurphy5 said...
Maybe Bobby can chalk it up to God's will as he travels around the state on his annual self-promotion tour.
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7-02-2009 @ 8:18AM
DP said...
If it was some young coach or if Bobby wasn't in contention for the most victories all-time, FSU would have agreed to the sentence handed down by the NCAA and this would have been over a long time ago.
They are only fighting so Bobby can (they hope) become the all-time winningest coach. Period. End of story.
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7-03-2009 @ 2:59PM
ssustarsic said...
I'm no FSU fan, but I am against revisionist history as a way of sanctioning a team. Games won are games won. It's ridiculous to change win/loss records over violations. Let history stand.
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7-03-2009 @ 4:34PM
Melvin said...
So Tim Tebow comes to Urban Meyer and says "Coach, I cheated on an exam over the summer and I'm afraid I'll be found out and declared ineligible for 2009".
According to you, Meyer can say "No problem. Let's go out and win another title, then when your cheating is discovered, it will be too late and the penalty will be in the future. We'll keep the national championsip trophy".
Heck there's enough cheating going on now in college athletics. Give coaches a wider loophole and they'll leap through it.
You can't let coaches keep wins and titles if students who played in those wins should not have been eligible to do so.
Just my opinion.
7-03-2009 @ 11:48PM
shelbyjams said...
I think that its ridiculious to have our wins talked about being disgarded. Joe P. said himself that its crazy for him(Bobby Bowden) to have in theory recieved the most wins but because the NCAA says they dont count to deprive an 80 yr old man his rights to winningest coach. I mean Florida State was giving the right to handle the situation and did and now the NCAA wants to step in a year or so later after they handled it and say were taking your wins. Its wrong! We discarded numerous players because in more than two or three games on suspension and are on probation and they want to take ours wins now. What the hell! I mean you see all the scandals over the years with Alabama or Maimi did they talk of taking wins no they put them on provation and that was that. But because its florida state whose head coach is one game behind Joe P. its were taking your wins. It has nothing to do with the cheating and everything to do with getting Joe P. the head coach at Penn State the college coach most winningest record. The NCAA doesn't like that we[Florida State] have narrowed the gap of win/losses of Bowden and Parterno and were on the verge of having a shot at Bowden winning it so they throw 'were taking 14 wins' to ensure he doesn't recieve it. I think its funny how they wait till the end of the year and the start of the next year to even say anything. Why didnt they do that when we were first informed of the problem? Because in theory they really don't give a damn about the cheating they just wanted Joe P. to recieve the acknowledgement for winningest coach. Well its ok if they do take our wins I love what Bowden said 'If they do take me out of the running I want loose any sleep over it.' That is the most amazing coach in college football. Whether they award him for it or not, he is great.
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7-06-2009 @ 10:15PM
nittnyfan said...
31 of Bowden's wins were at Division 1-AA Samford College. Counting those is like counting high school wins. All of Paterno's were at 1-A Penn State (a school that, while by no means perfect, has never been on probation for anything in any sport).
Does it change your opinion when you see that Bowden isn't really all that close.
7-09-2009 @ 4:25PM
Melvin said...
FROM YAHOO SPORTS:
Bobby Bowden once called for forfeiture after FSU was victimized by ineligible player
(posted by Mike Bianchi on Jul 3, 2009
The Internet is an amazing thing.
A reader copied and e-mailed me an old newspaper article recently that pointed out a heaping helping of hypocrisy involving Florida State coach Bobby Bowden not wanting to vacate victories as ordered by the NCAA.
Bowden obviously thinks it's unfair that the NCAA is telling FSU to vacate victories for using ineligible players. But a quarter-century ago, when Bowden's FSU team was victimized by an alleged ineligible player used by Tulane, Bowden thought Tulane should have to forfeit the victory. Here's the link to the old Lakeland Ledger story:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1347&dat=19831109&id=vyUVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mvsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5110,3169571
Back then, he lobbied to get a win because he felt it was unfair he lost to a team with an ineligible player. Right now, he is lobbying to keep his wins because he thinks it's unfair they were been taken away even though he used ineligible players.
It should also be noted that Tulane actually had to forfeit the game back in 1983 and FSU ended up getting a bid to the Peach Bowl as a result. In other words, Bobby is getting credit for a game he didn't actually win.
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9-04-2009 @ 3:39PM
Michael said...
Online music history class?? Seriously people!! You're calling that academics? Who wouldn't cheat in that class anyway?
Games won are games won. Kick cheaters off the team. I don't care. But do it BEFORE they play the game. Don't come back afterward and say they were ineligible. A rule has to be enforced before the players hit the field, because if the officials see eligibility, and a fair game is played, and a winner is declared, guess what...it's a win. You're going to take away a track team's national championship over THIS??? Come on! I don't care about Bowden or Paterno. Of course they have a lot of wins, they are old as hell! You can debate who's got the most wins till the cows come home. But let's face it, they are as instrumental in all of this as a mascot.
NCAA's shortfalls in dealing with this issue is an embarrassment that unfortunately ends up hurting the reputation of FSU and some bad-ass track athletes.
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