Yes, as the Trojans paraded Penn State's corpse from end to end of the Rose Bowl Thursday
night, Pete Carroll's team again entered the national title picture. Not in the BCS system, which will award its title to either Oklahoma or Florida even if the Sooners let Charles Barkley drive the bus to the game and the Gators put Matt Millen in charge of their personnel.But AP voters are free to vote for any team and with the kind of no apologies beating the Beijing police for might be proud of, Troy roared yet again.
So exactly how many votes should USC's Rose Bowl victory account for?
Think the same number of votes Brett Favre will get for teammate of the year, the number of suits in Al Davis' wardrobe that don't require the adjective "jogging" or the same number of pairs of underwear women have ever hurled at Randy Johnson.
Think zero.
Or something close to it as we probably shouldn't rule anything out yet.
Maybe Florida and Oklahoma will play a game so horribly ugly in the BCS title tilt that if they made a movie of it, it'd have to start Kirsten Dunst and Amy Winehouse with a special guest appearance by Danny DeVito. And maybe Texas will pull a Buckeye of its own against Ohio State. But let's just say if the BCS title game plays out remotely within the realm of expectations, what the Trojans did against Penn State doesn't qualify as a national championship performance.
You beat a Big Ten team in a virtual home game in a BCS bowl. It isn't exactly curing the common cold and, statistically speaking, beating a Big Ten team in a BCS bowl game is exactly as likely as eventually catching a cold.
This is to take nothing away from the men of Troy. The Trojans had an excellent season, were champions of a solid league, became the first back-to-back-to-back Rose Bowl champions (and that there is Tom Emanski rarified air). They had a defense that could stand between John Daly and a Hooters or Pacman Jones and the opportunity to make a fool of himself, and were downright biblical in the way they went about business.
Heck, Joe Paterno called them them one of the best defensive teams he's ever seen and Paterno would know. It says here the man once recruited Moses to play middle linebacker.
But that's the beauty of college football. Its title is awarded for a season accomplishment, not the team that played best in the last game that was nationally televised.
The argument for USC in its latest incarnation rests primarily on its dominant win over Penn State and the Pac-10's overall excellence in bowl season.
But the Pac-10 wasn't as good as its bowl record suggests and the Big Ten was even worse.
True, the Pac-10 finished the postseason 5-0, which makes for a nice round winning percentage, but is only 5-0 for a reason. The bottom of the league was bad. Actually, bad doesn't begin to describe the bottom of the Pac-10, but conveniently has exactly as many syllables as the league's bottom two teams had wins. With every team in the Pac-10 essentially spotted two conference wins to start the year, all a team had to do to become bowl eligible was win your three-game non-conference slate, beat two historically awful teams in that football black hole of Washington, knock off one of the league's weak links and see what kind of deal Expedia.com could get for you. But most of the league couldn't even manage that. Arizona State won three league games, but lost to a marginal 5-7 UNLV team at home to finish one game short of eligibility. Stanford lost to Notre Dame (Let that sink in for a moment) and was subsequently relegated to the Lingerie Bowl. UCLA lost to BYU 59-0, a team that won 10 but whose only notable victories were over Colorado State and Air Force.
By comparison, the much maligned ACC placed 10 of its 12 teams in bowls. Every BCS conference placed more teams than the Pac-10's five. Even the eight-team Big East earned six berths as did non-BCS league Conference-USA.
And the league's five wins don't tell us all that much about how impressive USC's conference wins were at the time.
Arizona's victory over BYU in the Las Vegas bowl was nice, but BYU was hardly a standard for excellence this season. Despite lofty preseason expectations, this busted BCS buster was manhandled by both TCU and Utah. Give all the credit to Mike Stoops' team, but that's hardly an endorsement for a No. 1 vote for USC.
Both Cal and Oregon earned notable wins, beating ACC also-ran Miami and Oklahoma State, but don't mistake these two teams for the two clubs that USC beat. When the Trojans' topped Cal 17-3, the Bears were rotating quarterbacks and preseason Heisman candidate Jahvid Best hadn't yet evolved into the dominant back he became over the season's final three games, when he rushed for 201, 311 and 186 yards. And Oregon, who ran into a big ball of angry, playing USC the week after the Trojans lost to Oregon State, suffered from a string of quarterback injuries that made oil rig repair or Pacman Jones' security detail seem like a safe career choice. Jeremiah Masoli, the third-string quarterback at season's start, was still fighting off Darron Thomas. The Ducks got healthy by year's end, hammered Oregon State and played exactly the kind of game expected of them in the preseason against Oklahoma State.
(Oregon State, the other Pac-10 bowl team, beat Pitt 3-0, making that midseason trade for Roberto Luongo really pay off, but the Beavers, of course, beat the Trojans.)
Would USC still beat these teams now? Probably. But when handing out the honor of the best team of the season, it's about who you beat and when you beat them, and who posted the best effort across 15 weeks of the regular season and a bowl game. It's not about who played best in their last game. Is there a little luck involved? Sure, but that's why in college football you need to be great, or close to it, every week.
And then there's the value of beating Penn State.
Maybe you watched some of the Big Ten this season. Maybe you didn't. After all, unlike waterboarding, even the Department of Justice agrees that watching Big Ten football is a form of torture.
The league's only quality win thus far is Penn State's victory over an Oregon State team that was fresh off a loss to Stanford. Ohio State imploded against USC. Michigan State lost to Cal and Georgia. We'd go over the failures of Wisconsin's season, but you could simply slam a few light bulbs into your forehead to simulate the experience.
It's a little unfair to write off Penn State as just another high-profile Big Ten flop, but the Trojans' win over Penn State won't be in the same league as a BCS title victory over Florida or Oklahoma State, or likely for that matter wins over Texas Tech and Alabama, even if those wins seem like events of the distant past.
There will almost certainly be a few idealogues that vote for USC or Texas, whose neutral-field win over Oklahoma would likely trump a win over the Nittany Lions as well, at season's end, voters who would prefer to beat around the BCS despite its acceptance by the teams that play the game. They're agenda driven voters and are like those who vote for Ralph Nader, refuse to cast a ballot for a first-time baseball Hall of Famer, and Tony Kornheinser while in the Monday Night Football booth – all people you should be allowed to punch in the face and receive a gift certificate to Chick-fil-A for your efforts.
So congratulations on a heck of a season, USC, congratulations on being the unquestioned No. 1 program in college football, and congratulations on the Rose Bowl. You earned every bit of that.
But you didn't earn a national title. Not for this. Even if it was recently nationally televised.
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I have felt that USC was the best team in the country. The problem is we cannot prove it because they do not play the Sooners Gators or Long Horns and until these teams get to play each other this is a mute point. Till then everybody can say my daddy is stronger and better than yours and how do we really prove this? I am just going to continue to say USC is the best team in the country. A loyal ASU and pack 10 fan.
This idea that the BCS Championship Game is a national champion game is absurd. It is just another bowl game. Without a playoff no national champion can be crowned. USC, Texas, Texas Tech, Alabama, all deserve a share of the national championship. Any true fan knows this.
Sam, you are an idiot! Just because your crappy team didn't make it to the national championship game doesn't mean that the game is now irrelevant. Did you watch Tech today? I guess you can throw them out the perfect little picture that you painted. Maybe if the Rose Bowl powers would ever invite an SEC team out west they could get a lesson in what it takes to win a championship. USC played a pretty good game against Penn St, but that is a team from the Big Ten who barely beat Ohio St and we know how bad they suck. Put USC in the SEC and they will go around 8-4 each year.
Where is Alabama in this equation?
Ah One Loss USC - sure a few other one loss teams, but My Boys of Troy played the entire season against BSC Teams. Not something that was done by SEC Teams, Big 10 teams, Big 12 Teams. Not they put a few "Ringers" in there to make sure they win Homecoming." I read other post on other Blogs talking about how Classless USC Was The team cheering on the field, a Couple of Rough Hits (And we were called Thugs). Go back and look at what Bob Stoops does in Oklahoma, 3 minutes left in the Forth and he is still running up the score. Looks at the 4th quarter in the Rose Bowl. I don't think Mark Sanchez threw a pass, nothing but runs, we had plently of time to score at least two more TD because Penn Could not Stop the Pass Attack. No Pete Basically Shut it down the Final score was (Respectable) but nowhere near what the actual game looked like. The Pac 10 has always gotten the Shaft from the Writer in the east, the SEC, The Big 12, ect. This has went on Since John McKay Was head Coach, James was at UofW, USC Still has the best Winning Percetage since Pete has been Head Coach then any of the Other BCS Conference Winners. and Should Finish again in the Top five of the Final Polls for the 7 year in a Row if I am not mistaken. Pete has One BSC Loss to his 5 BCS Wins. 7 PAC Ten Titles, in the past 7 Years, I do not belive that any other BSC Confrence winner has repeated with Back to Back Confrence Titles.
USC will not end up No. 1 in either of the Polls, But they are still The Number 1 team in the Nation. Fight On!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
uh...what?
Pac 10 goes 5-0 in the bowl games. USC loses only one game to Oregon State who finishes 9-4. Florida loses only one game to Miss. who finishes 8-4. Without a playoff there is no way you can tell me one team is better than the other.
Listen Mo, Ole Miss just won the Cotton Bowl over your highly tauted Tech team. They kicked their butts! The Pac 10 sent 5 teams to bowls which is less than any other conference.
Without a play off there is no way you can say who is #1. But everybody can argue any thing they want so I say Boise State University is No. 1 (eventhough I am a Vandal -University of Idaho). Oregon State beat USC. Oregon beat Oregon State and Boise State beat Oregon. And Penn State beat Oregon State who beat USC. Boise States only loss was by one point, no other national team can say that.
Um, Florida's only loss was by one point as well.
Except Florida
What a disappointing display of New Years day football Penn State showed. They did not deserve to be in such a powerhouse game. I believe the only true reasons they were there was to sell the the broadcasting hype of East vs West and the big name coach Joe Paterno. It seems that even Paterno knew it was a lost cause by not going to the locker room at half time. Texas Tech deserved a shot at USC before Penn State did. Congratulations BCS, another bowl season with no real punch.
Actually, Paterno hasn't been going to the locker room at half-time since his hip became such a painful problem to him earlier this season. His mobility was limited by it, and while everything I've heard about his recent hip replacement surgery is that it was quite successful, he's still not back 100%.
Another writer snatching up reasons to call the Pac-10 weak and tell everyone that USC doesnt deserve a spot in the National Championship game. Whats with all the bias? Never have I seen so many people on the SEC bandwagon. The Pac-10's 5-0 have swayed many people, but many writers are trying to be controversial and not give credit where credit is do. Pac-10 entered each one of its games (besides USC) as underdogs and shocked teams who thought that these teams from the Pac-10 had no fight in them. Boy were they wrong.
Florida losses to old Miss, not on the road BUT AT HOME not even a road loss, USC losses ON THE ROAD to a Oregan that beats OLKA ST who was 3 points from beating Texas, AND finally if USC played Florida with SC and defence and the way they can score VS anyone!! I think its fair to say USC might not end up #1 but they would be the favorite VS Florida, Okla or even Texas the spread plus 9, again they they are the best but again not #1 I am sick of the the ACC and SEC, last year it made me sick watching LSU a team USC would crushed at least Florida plays Oklahoma this year, go sooners!!!
As usual, USC is over-rated and wins more by luck than skill. Early in the game, USC fumbled, and Penn State recovered very close to the USC goal line. However, the ball was taken from them because of a minor inconsequential 5-yard penalty. That little, unnoticed bit of typical USC luck went unnoticed by most, but it represented a 14-point turnaround. If the Penn State linebacker had not been a few inches offsides, and Penn State had been able to keep their earned fumble recovery, the game would have gone to a 31-31 tie-breaker finish. Since Penn State in the second half butchered a "second half" team that lets nobody score in the second half, were it not for USC's typical luck, Penn State wins the game.
Pittsburgh Phil, Don't think it was luck. I think Penn State was overmatched and Sanchez was really on with Williams. These things happen, but the biggest problem for Penn State was the dismal play by the safety, Anthony Scirotto (sp?) who got burned over and over. Even ESPN commented on it. What I liked most about Penn State was it didn't quit like other big ten teams have done. (I was at the USC-Ohio State game).The Trojans deserved their victory and Paterno was terrific. He was honest when he said the sloppy play in the first half was a real factor. I am an east coast native who has become a USC fan because we have a daughter attending there so I've had a few years of watching. Also, once the game was in hand, you will notice USC started to run the ball more. Sanchez could have continued to air it out but Pete reined it in. He did that because of his respect for Joe and his boys. We often forget that these are kids playing ball. Pete knows that and so does Joe.
It's all good. I'm saying it here first, unless there are two undefeated teams playing for the BCS title next year and neither of those two is USC, 'SC will be playing for the title next year. In other words, if 'SC finishes with one loss again next year and either one or both of the two teams that are playing for the BCS title both have one loss as well, 'SC will be in the title game. There is no way 'SC will be held out of the title game again, especially when it's in their own backyard. And it won't be because they deserve it, even if that might be the case. It will be because of the money. That's how this whole thing works. Why do you think nothing is going to change! If you're unhappy about the whole thing, do something other than whining about it and boycott the BCS games by not watching them.
For my money USC is the best team in the country (and not afraid to play anyone.) I like Florida second and wish I could have seen Tebow against that USC defense. Oh, boy, we should clamor for a play-off until the NCAA listens. The BCS system is all about money and the NCAA will continue to sign contracts with the BCS until we all rise up. One year we should all refuse to buy bowl tickets and refuse to watch on TV. Impossible I know, but until we find a way to make them uncomfortable enough, they will turn a deaf ear. The present system stinks.
USC will be rebuilding next year with most of the defense going to the draft - Sarkisian heading up north - Sanchez may not even be back - don't expect too much from SC in '09 - too bad because the National Championship is right in their back yard - oh well, next year will give all the haters a chance to feel good about themselves but look out 2010 and 2011 ... Fight On!!!